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  • woodruffw 7 minutes ago
    > Cloudflare, which hosts a considerable fraction of the Internet's web sites, reports that 33% of its connections are using post-quantum crypto as of January 2025.

    DJB's narrative is a little selective here: Cloudflare has done some incredibly impressive things with post-quantum key agreement, which is arguably the "easy"[1] part of moving the Web PKI/TLS to a PQ setting. But key agreement doesn't tell the parties why they should trust each other; you need signatures and certificates for that, and those will need to be PQ-ready too.

    That part is much harder, for both technical (larger certificates implied by most PQ signing schemes are much harder to reliably convey over packet networks) and political (the X.509 ecosystem moves very slowly, and penetration of new signature schemes takes years) reasons.

    [1]: Nothing about it is easy.

  • upofadown 19 minutes ago
    >Everything disintegrates for physical error rates around 1% or above

    Last I heard we were 1-2 orders of magnitude away from the error correction break even point for noise performance; that point where it would take an infinite number of noisy qubits to break 2048 bit RSA. So does this mean that we are still at an error rate of something like 10%?

  • peepeepoopoo101 1 hour ago
    There's an awful lot of handwaving in this blog post. I'm sorry, but I'm not convinced. The author mentions how some devices that can seemingly solve exponential time complexity problems also require exponentially high precision, but there doesn't seem to be a strong argument for why that doesn't apply to quantum computers. We haven't experimentally demonstrated quantum computing at sufficient scales to prove that the required number of physical qubits to perform error correction doesn't scale exponentially.
    • plumthreads 1 hour ago
      I got the impression that DJB was criticizing the arguments for why quantum computers won't work. Not trying to demonstrate why they will work.
    • Yoric 1 hour ago
      Note that you do not need error correction for quantum computing. You only need it for digital quantum computing. There's a separate branch, analog quantum computing, that is also very promising.
    • rq1 1 hour ago
      The author is DJB.
  • johnea 1 hour ago
    Great to see DJB work posted here!
  • aaron695 1 minute ago
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