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  • gnabgib 5 hours ago
    Discussion (201 points, 12 days ago, 34 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46166994
  • charcircuit 52 minutes ago
    This doesn't make sense. If Vizo never licensed the software to you under the GPL, you can't say they violated the GPL. The court should not be able to make up contracts that don't exist between parties.
    • MattPalmer1086 43 minutes ago
      The only licence Vizo had to use the GPL software and distribute it to their users required them to make the code available to them on request.

      If they don't do that, they are in violation of copyright (since nothing else gives them permission to copy and distribute it).

      • charcircuit 20 minutes ago
        This article is not about whether Smartcast TV has all the neccessary licenses to be distributed. It's not the copyright owner of a dependency suing them.
    • itopaloglu83 42 minutes ago
      If Vizio used GPL licensed software and did not follow its license rules, then they’re the ones breaking the license terms and GPL licensing of the product was always implied.

      Not following the license terms have a name, stealing.

      • charcircuit 26 minutes ago
        They are clearly committing copyright infringement, but plenty of a copyright infringement happens in practice and it is tolerated by the copyright owners. This is not what I am objecting to though. I am objecting to the idea that Vizio has a contract with a user to give them the source code of their proprietary software. If Vizio ignore a license, in my mind there is no way for that license to establish a contract between Vizio and a user. How can there be a meeting of minds when Vizio's mind disagrees with the contract.
        • plufz 18 minutes ago
          Isn’t it more that they have a contract with the developers of the GPL:ed code? But sure they can decide to break that contract and take the consequences of committing copyright infringement.
        • itopaloglu83 20 minutes ago
          I understand, it’s not a direct contract, but they’re infringing on copyrighted material to create their software and not following what they agreed.

          Expecting to benefit from copyright in their own product while ignoring the license of all the products they used, that’s what bothers me, it’s hypocrisy. It’s open sourced software, free like speech, not like beer.

          PS: I didn’t vote on any comment.

          • charcircuit 18 minutes ago
            >they’re infringing on copyrighted material

            Sure.

            >not following what they agreed.

            They may have never agreed.

            >that’s what bothers me

            You can feel that way, but it's up to the copyright owner to decide if they want to go after such an infringement or if they are okay with it.

    • dragonwriter 40 minutes ago
      Well, first, yes, you can, if you can establish that you are an intended third-party beneficiary.

      But, more to the point, that’s not the basis for the tentative ruling under discussion, so its irrelevant to whether the decision makes sense.