Amazon will allow ePub and PDF downloads for DRM-free eBooks

(kdpcommunity.com)

203 points | by captn3m0 4 hours ago

30 comments

  • icqFDR 1 hour ago
    I’d advise anyone buying e-books on Amazon to think it through carefully. My account was banned recently because, years ago, I ordered two paper books that Amazon said would be split into two shipments. Both books arrived without any issues, but later Amazon refunded me for one of them, claiming that one package never arrived. This happened 4–5 years ago.

    Apparently, during a recent review, they decided this counted as fraud and banned my account. As a result, I can no longer log in and lost access to all my Kindle e-books. They also remotely wiped my Kindle, so my entire library is gone. I appealed the decision, but I’ve been waiting for over six months with no resolution.

    • egeozcan 1 hour ago
      A friend of mine received a double shipment for a $300 order. Being honest, he contacted customer service to arrange a return. Everything seemed fine until a few days later when he noticed they had also refunded his original payment. He reached out again to let them know, and they said they’d just recharge his card. Apparently, that transaction failed (no clear reason why), and without any warning, they banned his account, wiping out his entire Kindle library in the process. Amazon works wonderfully right up until it fails spectacularly.
      • kshacker 1 hour ago
        I wonder just like retailers are required to account for local sales taxes (I know it is not that clear cut), there should be some enforcement mechanism to settle disputes locally. Setup an agency which "legally" provides support for google, Amazon, and all those unreachable entities. Provides local jobs as well as quick grievance redressal. Maybe something like consumer protection agency but not federal, maybe at least one per county maybe more depending on the population.

        Edit - I don't mind paying for the service. Maybe charge everyone $99 to file a case to avoid everyone piling on, but it helps resolve most egregious ones, and fee could be refunded at the agency's discretion.

        • andylynch 1 hour ago
          I can't speak for how effective the process is, but this is the idea behind the EU/UK GPSR's Authorised Representative framework - though not exactly local (that would be excessive, since GPSR also applies to much smaller sellers too)
      • exe34 36 minutes ago
        I never bought any ebooks off Amazon without removing the drm at the time. I did buy a lot of shows and movies, but if they take those away, I'll just pirate them, given I've already paid.
    • al_borland 11 minutes ago
      Banning long-time customers in otherwise good-standing for a mistake they made years ago, which would already be settled financially and such a minor cost is wild.

      I can imagine something like this has happened to almost everyone.

      So much for being the world’s most customer-centric company. That mission is dead.

    • cassianoleal 1 hour ago
      That's the point of DRM-free ebooks though, isn't it? You download them and keep them safe so if the provider decides to cut access to your account, you remain in possession of the goods.

      So the correct advice would be to avoid anyone buying DRM-encumbered digital property - the same as RMS has been making for who knows how long!

      • ajdude 1 hour ago
        It's safer to assume that Amazon is always acting in bad faith and search to purchase your DRM free e-books from other vendors. There's plenty of other options out there besides Amazon
        • mikkupikku 2 minutes ago
          > There's plenty of other options out there besides Amazon

          Often not in my experience. Abe and B&N.

    • mathieuh 50 minutes ago
      I saw the writing on the wall when they recently removed the facility to download your own books. I downloaded all of them, removed the DRM with Calibre, and now obtain e-books through other sources.
    • nippoo 1 hour ago
      They failed to deliver a Pixel phone to me - they never even tried to deliver it and the status said "permanent delivery failure" so I assumed they'd automatically refund me.

      Fast forward a few months, I never received a refund and they claim they have no record any more. I could chargeback my credit card but I imagine I'd also be permanently banned from Amazon - so instead I accept they've just stolen $1000 from me with no recourse...

      (if anyone from Amazon is reading this, my email is in my bio!)

      • philo_sophia 1 hour ago
        Just ask for the refund. If they lock your account you can always make a new one (gonna be a scary day when that isn't possibl cuz they use biometrics or something.....).

        But if they just close your account in response to asking for a rightful refund.... Literal thievery

      • robin_reala 1 hour ago
        For $1k stolen from me I think I’d go with not shopping at Amazon again, tbh.
      • deltaburnt 27 minutes ago
        Much less money lost, but Amazon is notorious for not providing free game codes that are supposed to be included with GPU purchases. The customer rep at first apologized and offered a small refund (less than the cost of the game). A later rep started implying I was trying to defraud Amazon.

        Many people online share similar experiences. Wonder how much money this wide-scale fraud saves them.

      • gorbachev 39 minutes ago
        Something similar happened to me. The delivery company returned two packages, two separate orders, as damaged back to Amazon. They were marked as "delivered". They automatically refunded just one item in one of the returned orders.

        I had to call them to get a refund for all the items on all the orders, and even then they had a lot of difficulty figuring out what was happening. Isn't Amazon supposed to be a world leader (maybe after Walmart) in this stuff?

      • everdrive 1 hour ago
        That should be the last straw. In the least, why haven't you closed your account?
      • dust-jacket 18 minutes ago
        No, this is silly. Don't do this. You absolutely keep pushing for a refund and go via you CC provider if they don't respond.
        • barbazoo 14 minutes ago
          And risk being locked out of the world’s online marketplace and all of Amazon’s other businesses? Maybe a bit hyperbolic but that’s where we are headed for sure.
    • Insanity 46 minutes ago
      Damn that is scary. I’ve been reading on Kindle since 2017, I have about 200 books on there.

      I doubt I would re-read many of them, but my partner is still going through some of them (with the family library thing).

      I’d be pissed if it got wiped.

    • p2detar 15 minutes ago
      About Kindle, if you're in Europe, you could try Nextory or BookBeat. They don't have as much content, but are good services nevertheless.
    • wrxd 1 hour ago
      Unfortunately bad press is likely going to be the only thing to give you your account back. You should write a blog post and let the internet and the media do its magic
    • mapt 1 hour ago
      The only reason for a recent review (like with all the recently banned Facebook accounts from 2009) is firing up AI tools that didn't exist 5 years ago.
      • IAmBroom 1 hour ago
        Or general auditing purposes.
    • ashu1461 37 minutes ago
      Amazon used to be really customer centric 5-10 years ago, I remember once I ordered a physical book which was late in delivery and I urgently needed that book, so they gave me a free kindle edition till the book got delivered.
      • delichon 13 minutes ago
        Last week I had a vendor tell me that they did warranty service through Amazon, and I should contact Amazon for a replacement, even though I was outside of their return window. It turned out to be a lie. But Amazon refunded me the full amount anyway, without prompting. The handful of times I've contacted Amazon tech support this has been my experience. The previous one was when they replaced a $250 porch pirated delivery, no questions asked.

        This behavior genuinely earns them more of my business.

    • sheepscreek 1 hour ago
      That is truly insane - sorry that you’re unable to access the books that you rightly purchased.

      Though I highly doubt this alone was the reason for an account ban. Is it possible your credentials were stolen/misused without your knowledge?

      • icqFDR 1 hour ago
        That’s possible, but I can’t know for sure because Amazon never provided any concrete details. I didn’t receive any warning emails, only a cryptic message after the ban:

        > "Amazon.co.uk found that the rate at which refunds were occurring on your account was extraordinary and could not continue."

        After looking through my order history, the only refund I could find on this account was the one related to the book I mentioned above. If there was any other activity or misuse, Amazon hasn’t disclosed it to me, which makes it impossible to verify or dispute their conclusion.

    • ctrlmeta 44 minutes ago
      > As a result, I can no longer log in and lost access to all my Kindle e-books.

      Can't you file a suit in a small claims court?

  • embedding-shape 2 hours ago
    Hah, they actually did a slight rollback! When I first heard about them stopping the downloads, I immediately downloaded all the books I purchased from Amazon and went from buying ~1 book per week to 0. Seems a lot of us doing so had some sort of effect.

    Unfortunately, it seems like this will be chosen by the publisher, so of course probably most of the books won't be downloadable at all, and Amazon can now point their finger at the publisher instead of taking the blame themselves. Publishers was probably always the reason behind the move, but at least now Amazon have someone else to blame, which I guess is great for them.

    • Finnucane 1 hour ago
      It’s pretty unusual for Amazon to put any other entity’s interest ahead of it’s own, so they can be presumed to have some business reason for it, like the number of people who’ve decided not to buy from them any more.
  • cwillu 3 hours ago
    But only if the author/publisher explicitly go in and permit it.

    This isn't announcing that pdf's and epub's are now available for everything that was drm-free, this is announcing that they will _permit_ pdf's and epub's to be available.

    • codazoda 1 hour ago
      I'm a self-published author. This is the default setting for new books uploaded without DRM. It's gated behind an "I understand" checkbox. I plan to allow my books to be downloaded as PDF and ePUB.

      It makes sense not to do this retroactively.

      • crtasm 7 minutes ago
        Can you create the epub and pdf files yourself and have them distributed unaltered?
    • _heimdall 2 hours ago
      That seems reasonable enough to me though. It should be the publisher's choice what formats of the book they are willing to sell.
      • makeitdouble 17 minutes ago
        Having the action prominent and potentially with the default reversed would still leave it to the publisher's choice.

        We can understand why they do it this way (they only need the option to exist, and can afford to apply dark patterns to it), but we don't need to excuse Amazon. Especially when they don't give a shit about what we think in the first place.

    • inquirerGeneral 3 hours ago
      [dead]
  • wrxd 2 hours ago
    This was unexpected. They lost me as a customer when they stopped allowing me to download books I bought and I'm in the Kobo (+ BookLore) side now and I am not coming back.

    I wonder how many books are actually DRM-free and are going to be affected by this change. I suspect relatively few, but I would be happy to be wrong

    • NikolaNovak 1 hour ago
      For me it appears highly genre-correlated. High percentage of science fiction books come with a small statement "this book is drm free on request of publisher / author". Zero of my photography, music, computer science or graphic novels came with such a tag.
      • delecti 33 minutes ago
        Yeah, Tor Books publishes without DRM, and they seem to be one of the bigger SFF publishers these days. John Scalzi, George R.R. Martin (though not the ASoIaF books), Robert Jordan, Annalee Newitz, Charlie Jane Anders, and a bunch of other SFF authors I recognize. I'm sure there are others, but all the once I've noticed have been from Tor.
        • freedomben 0 minutes ago
          Indeed, and I love Tor for this. Brandon Sanderson has also come out against DRM. I already loved the man's books, now I love the man too
    • DennisP 40 minutes ago
      I bought a Kobo for the same reason but when it came to buying books, none of the books I wanted to buy were on Kobo's store.
  • tgsovlerkhgsel 3 hours ago
    How many books are actually available DRM-free? This reads a bit like "Amazon will provide free land, construct a paddock and provide feed for life if you order a unicorn, except unicorns don't exist".
    • PaulRobinson 3 hours ago
      Books enter the public domain. Project Gutenberg and others produce DRM-free versions. Many academics and people who wish to share their knowledge also publish works DRM-free, sometimes under permissive (copyleft), licenses.

      The fact you see DRM as the norm and non-DRM as “a unicorn” that “doesn’t exist”, is mildly sad. You should explore all of the above a lot more, and much more besides.

      • tgsovlerkhgsel 2 hours ago
        I assumed that that was clear from the context, but let me rephrase it then:

        "being made available DRM-free on Amazon" (and I'd narrow that down to "primarily/only on Amazon")

        Of course public domain books are DRM free but I'm getting those from Gutenberg, not Amazon. Likewise, the copyleft books I'll most likely download from their own homepages, not Amazon.

        I'm aware that DRM free media exists, including for currently copyrighted content that Amazon distributes ;)

      • sallveburrpi 2 hours ago
        Mildly sad is also that you seem to fault GP for not “exploring” more, instead of the insane practice of DRMing everything in the first place. I never have purchased DRM protected media and never will - I’d rather pirate everything digital and but physical hard copies.
        • PaulRobinson 2 hours ago
          I don’t actually think it’s their fault, and if they feel I’m faulting them, that wasn’t the intention.

          I think it’s sad that what we thought everyone saw as a nonsense is now so normalised that alternatives are just disappearing from view. Everyone should be encouraged to explore.

          Piracy is your preferred option, but when that became more mainstream we actually ended up creating the market for more DRM, in the form of iTunes, Spotify and others. I’m not sure I want the future of digital media to be entirely subscription-based like that.

          What might be a better solution is showing that media creators can achieve more of their own objectives through releasing media without DRM. This only works if their objectives are not entirely around making money from media sales, and more aligned to influence, or audience building.

          I’m actually surprised at this point that musicians - given they don’t make money from streaming services and see them as tools to build audiences for live tours where they really make their money - don’t just jump over already.

          • sallveburrpi 2 hours ago
            I was just talking about books, but sure for music there are tons of alternative options as well. I detest streaming platforms and it’s pretty easy to buy music directly from the creators in almost all cases - except maybe the top “superstars” but I would argue that they are probably doing fine anyway… Also physical records still exist for music as well. Lots of artists can do just fine with living from media sales.

            Look I’m not saying “pirate everything and never pay the artists” - I’m saying “never pay the predatory tech companies that have inserted themselves between us and artists”

      • input_sh 2 hours ago
        > Books enter the public domain.

        ...and then they get re-packaged with DRM on Amazon's store, mostly because people uploading public domain books on Amazon have no idea what they're doing.

        > Project Gutenberg and others produce DRM-free versions. Many academics and people who wish to share their knowledge also publish works DRM-free, sometimes under permissive (copyleft), licenses.

        You can read DRM-free stuff on a Kindle already, so that's not particularly relevant here.

        > The fact you see DRM as the norm and non-DRM as “a unicorn” that “doesn’t exist”, is mildly sad.

        When every big publisher is doing it, it is the norm. That doesn't mean there doesn't exist any book publisher which doesn't do this, but the vast, vast majority of the books actually sold today contain DRM. We don't have to like that norm, but pretending it isn't one is just denying reality.

        • g947o 1 hour ago
          This.

          While lots public domain books are on Amazon's store, most of those books are not free, both in the sense of "free or charge" and "DRM free". A lot of literature classic are released by a major publishing house with foreword and annotations, which to be fair, are copyrighted works and provide value. And they cost a bit of money. The "real" public domain versions provide by Amazon are barebone. Those versions are often good enough for many people, but you don't need to get them from Amazon in the first place.

          In other words, public domain or not does not have much to do with DRM-free or even Amazon.

    • buu709 2 hours ago
      You'd be surprised. Tor and Solaris both offer DRM free books on Amazon. Also anything self published tends to be DRM free.

      I saw the writing on the wall and downloaded my books from Amazon a few months before their announcement. Out of around 1000 books I had 300ish that were DRM free.

      • timmg 1 hour ago
        Dumb question, but: is there a way to find/filter ones that are? (I can't seem to find anything in the (web) UI that makes it clear which books are downloadable.)
        • buu709 1 hour ago
          There wasn't when I went through my collection. Reading the announcement from Amazon it looks like the existing DRM free books will not be automatically flagged to be downloadable.

          The publisher/author will have to go through a process to have their books be downloadable again.

    • amluto 2 hours ago
      All books published by Tor are DRM-free.
      • jwalton 2 hours ago
        And Baen. Baen has a storefront of their own online at https://www.baen.com/.
      • Gazoche 1 hour ago
        ...in the US. I tried to buy an ebook of the Stormlight Archive from Australia and was sad to discover that DRM-free versions were not available.
  • barbazoo 12 minutes ago
    First think I do and have ever done after having had to buy a book from Amazon: Pull it into Calibre and remove DRM.

    These days I don’t buy from them but the same with Kobo which is a better company to begin with.

  • TheSilva 3 hours ago
    Too little too late, already ditched the whole ecosystem after so many years and devices.
    • bambax 3 hours ago
      Same. I'm done.
  • syntaxing 3 hours ago
    Just get a kobo instead. The price difference between with ads and a new kobo is minimal. Not worth the Amazon headache with a locked down device.
    • makeitdouble 14 minutes ago
      Kobo is extremely region limited.

      It's fine if it fits your need, but will be far from a good alternative in most regions.

    • Flimm 2 hours ago
      The eBooks in Kobo's store are also locked down with DRM.
    • Ciantic 1 hour ago
      I have Kobo, but their decision to enable secure boot in newer models, and consequently pushing out FOSS choices as operating systems makes me think I won't get another Kobo. Yes the Nickel menu works still with secure boot enabled devices. I like to think that devices I buy might have different use-case in future, and secure-boot enabled devices seriously harm that.
    • icedrift 2 hours ago
      Thing is Kindle hardware is significantly better and cheaper. If you don't mind tinkering get a kindle and jailbreak it to remove ads and add koreader.
      • stringsandchars 1 hour ago
        > Kindle hardware is significantly better and cheaper. If you don't mind tinkering get a kindle and jailbreak it to remove ads and add koreader.

        Because Amazon were increasingly locking-down their systems - and also because they are all-round shits - I decided to abandon the ecosystem having been a customer since the days they only sold books.

        I have owned two Paperwhites, two Oasis devices, and a Kindle Scribe. I sold all of them last year and bought a Kobo Libra Colour.

        I get WAY more joy from reading on the Kobo. I love buying books from the Kobo store (yes I know they also have DRM) - and I'm buying and reading WAY more on the Kobo than I was at the end of my time with Amazon.

        Every time I buy yet another book on the Kobo Store I feel the thrill of sticking it to the horrible, anti-user shits at Amazon.

    • rgegerge 2 hours ago
      There are two single line comments recommending kobo over kindle in this thread. How do I know this is a genuine recommendation and not astroturfing?
      • jjice 23 minutes ago
        I'll chime in - the Kindle Paperwhite I believe is the superior machine from a physical feeling and aesthetic perspective. The problem (for me) is who makes it. Amazon keeps locking it down so it's harder and harder to load your own DRM free books onto it, in addition to tracking everything you do on it (like sending all your reading statistics whenever you get online).

        I have a Kobo Clara BW. It's still a great machine, but the Kindle is definitely superior for feel and visuals, but I use the Kobo 95% of the time. They are way more open with the software and I have mine in "sideload" mode (an official setting), which really just means that it doesn't make me log into anything and it doesn't even attempt to connect to the internet. Also, I can purchase a DRM free ebook on the train, plug a USB cable into my phone and my Kobo, and then load it on like that. Now I own my digital book, have supported the author with a larger margin, and get to read it on my more private machine.

        Definitely not a no-brainer for everyone, but I'm happy with my Kobo.

      • forinti 2 hours ago
        I have both. The Kindle is a better device overall, but the I like Kobo's software better.

        What I found disappointing was when I had to swap out the screen on the Kobo and found that it was glued and that the battery was soldered. I managed to do fix it, but I don't like things that are unnecessarily hard to fix.

      • carlosjobim 1 hour ago
        How do you know anything? You can never know for sure if you can trust another person, and this is why people can get schizophrenia.

        Asking people to verify that they are honest will never help you. Dishonest people will of course lie to you and say they are honest. While honest people will be insulted by your question and not want to engage with you.

        What you can do is verify. Try a Kobo, try a Kindle. Make up your own mind.

  • strawhatdev 3 hours ago
    I wonder if this is in response to Bookshop.org's DRM free e-book shop. I buy a lot of e-books and have completely switched over because of that feature.
    • habosa 33 minutes ago
      I’m waiting for Bookshop.org to offer an integration with any hardware reader for most of their books. When they do, I’ll switch to whatever that reader is.
    • jwalton 2 hours ago
      Bookshop.org has a DRM free section? Where do I find such a thing?
    • gizzlon 2 hours ago
      Cool, but quite a small subset are DRM-free. OTOH. its seems like all the audiobooks on libro.fm are DRM-free?

      https://support.libro.fm/support/solutions/articles/48000695...

  • jrm4 1 hour ago
    Haha, what a headline.

    The internet "allows" ePub and PDF downloads for ALL books. Adjust yourselves accordingly.

    • everdrive 1 hour ago
      Amazon deserves a lot of criticism in the general sense, but this can only be seen as a positive move. Most importantly, if they set an industry standard, others might follow.

      Fundamentally, I prefer a physical book to a digital one. But, the primary reason I'd never even entertain a digital book is the lack of ownership. Ownership is incredibly important, and we need to celebrate victories when they happen.

    • IAmBroom 1 hour ago
      Not every person likes sailing under the Jolly Roger, matey.
      • NoMoreNicksLeft 16 minutes ago
        Too much convenience, selection, and the prices are all too low!
  • ggm 3 hours ago
    So Gutenberg and the internet archive could monetise click through links or an affiliate program? No disrespect intended, if this meant we could fund them with Amazon pitching in some vig I'd think about it. Mind you, they'd probably make more with direct donation per person, but Amazon could drive many multiples more via the store.
  • nottorp 3 hours ago
    For all three DRM-free titles?
  • SoKamil 2 hours ago
    I hope they will allow me to download e-books that I uploaded through their upload site.

    I do backups but better be safe than sorry.

  • asplake 1 hour ago
    As the author of five books (and my most recent one entirely self-published), I haven't yet worked out how I feel about this or how to respond. My current compromise is to charge more on the DRM-free LeanPub.
    • wrxd 1 hour ago
      Out of curiosity, what’s the ratio between sales on Amazon and the DRM-free option?
      • asplake 59 minutes ago
        Amazon wins by miles, almost to the point of incomparability. For all my issues with Amazon, that’s fine by me: compared to all other platforms, that’s where the reviews and other forms of social proof are.
  • Flimm 3 hours ago
    Can anyone find even one DRM-free ebook on Amazon Kindle?
    • metaphor 1 hour ago
      I've noticed a lot in the SFF genre, including my current fiction read: Joe Abercrombie's latest release The Devils[1].

      You'll see something like the following on the bottom of book details:

      > At the Publisher's request, this title is being sold without Digital Rights Management Software (DRM) applied.

      [1] https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D3CB76TV

  • monomial 2 hours ago
    Do yourself a favor and go get a Kobo reader, install KO Reader on it and never look back.
    • mapontosevenths 56 minutes ago
      I like to be able to price shop, but I do want to support the authors. So I use Kobo & Kindle, then buy it wherever it's cheapest usually.

      Then I use epubor ultimate to convert to epub and read it on my generic e-ink reader. Some folks object to the licensing or whatever with epubor (unattributed GPL?) but it works, it's easy, and when Amazon tightens up the DRM they always find a way around it eventually.

  • internet_points 3 hours ago
    At least better than completely disallowing it I guess.
  • drpixie 2 hours ago
    What's amazon's angle on this? Because it's not believable that they wouldn't have an angle.

    So the real question is - how is amazon going to enshitify drm-free books? Are they trying to wipe out gutenburg, standard-ebooks, etc?

    Are they trying to be the youtube of drm-free? The place where everyone goes, and that becomes crap due updating Ts&Cs - inserting ads or charges?

  • cft 46 minutes ago
    All ePub and PDF downloads are here: https://open-slum.org/
  • alexnewman 1 hour ago
    I believe every book I buy I’m allowed to backup in any format I want. Come and get me
  • p0w3n3d 2 hours ago
    So much for your master’s mercy
  • yanhangyhy 1 hour ago
    time to pick up my e-book reader again..
  • partomniscient 1 hour ago
    They're still going to take note of what you're reading and possibly brand you as a non-ultra-capitalist disruptor. Amazon can get fucked.

    I still buy physical media from them once a year (November) when availabilty and rest of the world can't compete price-wise. Yes I recognise the hypocrisy of said actions and minimise it as much as possible. Non-US based. Many physical media producers (e.g. Disney) no longer produce stuff for our 'region'.

  • IlikeKitties 3 hours ago
    The current experience of using a Kobo Libre Color, Koreader, any webdav mounted in koreader and pirating everything on annas archive et. al. cannot be beat by any commercial offering. Unsuprisingly my copy of 1984 has never been deleted from my NAS
    • Suggger 2 hours ago
      You are essentially a distributed Fahrenheit 451 node.
    • stringsandchars 1 hour ago
      > pirating everything on annas archive et. al. cannot be beat by any commercial offering

      While I understand people pirating movies - there are hundreds of movies I'd happily pay to watch, but which are literally unavailable to me because of some arbitrary 'regional' restriction imposed by the distributors. But I can't think of a single book that isn't available in most parts of the world - certainly they're available wherever a Kobo is for sale.

      So how are new books going to be published in the future, if people like you don't pay writers for their work? Would you like your work to be pirated, so you wouldn't be able to even buy another Kobo?

      • IAmBroom 51 minutes ago
        People have been writing for much longer than writing has been a profession. And their work has been published by the means of the day, which pre-Gutenberg in the West meant hand-copying.

        It's not immoral in any way to make a living off of your own creations, but - artists gonna art.

      • spidermonkey23 1 hour ago
        I feel like if the platform is unwilling to give you access to books you posted for, you should be able to download them from arrr without authors or publishers being affected financially - buy first pirate later.
      • NoMoreNicksLeft 14 minutes ago
        >Would you like your work to be pirated,

        Imagine being so good at writing, that people out there are trying to get a copy of it that they can upload to The Pirate Bay. Hell yeh, I'd love that... seems like reaching the big leagues.

  • foormanek 1 hour ago
    Nobody with sane mind cares. You may buy Kindle, but then you jailbreak it right away. You can "buy" Kindle e-books, but then you exfiltrate these right away. When you stand your ground, what can Amazon allow you or not allow?
    • IAmBroom 56 minutes ago
      Spoken like a techie, with the attitude NYers have to the "flyover states".

      Only tech-savvy people who are morally OK with pirating and jailbreaking are "sane"?

      • watwut 10 minutes ago
        > Spoken like a techie, with the attitude NYers have to the "flyover states".

        Like you mean, when people from what you call "flyover states" demonized cities so much, that they are ok sending armies into them?

        Lets be real, the overwhelming majority if derision and toxicity flows the other way.