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  • n4r9 1 hour ago
    James Dyson advocated for Brexit on the basis of supporting British industry, and shortly afterwards migrated the company HQ to Singapore.
    • klelatti 31 minutes ago
      And to prove it is possible to have a profitable vacuum cleaner manufacturing business that makes its machines in the UK - long live Henry!

      https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/jul/24/how-hen...

      And unlike Dyson they are almost indestructible!

      • n4r9 21 minutes ago
        Great article. Especially loved this

        > “I love you,” Jess said above his cot one evening before lights out. “I love Henry,” came the reply.

        • klelatti 13 minutes ago
          We have a pre-schooler and am happy to confirm that our Henry is a favourite member of the family.

          Just as important he's sufficiently strong to withstand our boy's curiosity :)

    • KoolKat23 13 minutes ago
      I'm nearly certain he believed/believes in the Britannia Unchained folks type nonsense. Brexit, then ECHR exit, deregulate like crazy and exploit everyone and their mum. So long as GDP goes up.
  • direwolf20 1 hour ago
    Why do employers deny their employees toilet breaks? Do they actually believe it makes the employees more productive, or are they just cruel people?
    • steve1977 44 minutes ago
      It's a demonstration of power. Which is exactly why it needs fighting against, because these people (i.e. Dyson) must not have power.
      • thegreatpeter 25 minutes ago
        But why only demonstrate power over 12 people and not the alleged 1200+ that work there?
    • ben_w 1 hour ago
      Why not both? I've met my share of idiots measuring productivity wrong, and there needs to be a chain of idiots all the way up to let this escalate to a lawsuit (chains of idiots I've also seen). But I've also seen cruelty on occasion, and you need to have no empathy with your workers to have made this call in the first place.
    • steveBK123 6 minutes ago
      There are countries where white collar office workers are banned from having drinks, including even a bottle of water at their desks.

      You'd be amazed what is legal or at least normalized/tolerated when regulations are weak.

    • DemocracyFTW2 7 minutes ago
      Coincidentally in Eastern Germany they (or so I heard) had a "keys to the toilet" trope, meaning that whoever managed to obtain any kind of position (being entrusted with controlling access to a vital facility) could and often would then go and take advantage of it by expecting bribes-in-kind from people.
    • Quarrelsome 1 hour ago
      people who lack imagination. Its much easier to believe that people are out to get you as opposed to facing your own failed decisions.
    • cynicalsecurity 52 minutes ago
      Employers are not always very smart. It took humanity half a millennium to realise slavery is inefficient and ditch it. Go figure.
      • GaryBluto 37 minutes ago
        Slavery wasn't inefficient and was highly profitable for slaveholders.
        • iso1631 1 minute ago
          Not as profitable for robot owners today
        • robtherobber 32 minutes ago
          Not contradicting the second part, but I want to emphasise that they are different things. Slavery (and capitalism) can be extremely inefficient and simultaneously wildly profitable.
          • n4r9 13 minutes ago
            Surely it's meaningless to compare the efficiency of slavery vs other systems, since your set of resources is completely different.
        • UltraSane 24 minutes ago
          Except the slaveholders entire life revolved around managing slaves and worrying about slave revolts.
          • j16sdiz 19 minutes ago
            No. If you actually read the history, many slaveholder delegates management works to slaves
            • steve1977 12 minutes ago
              So not much has changed really?
      • speedgoose 38 minutes ago
        Slavery is unfortunately still a thing in too many parts of the world.
      • n4r9 37 minutes ago
        Is that why slavery was banned?
    • drcongo 1 hour ago
      In the case of James Dyson it's almost certainly pure malice. Horrible man.
  • martiuk 1 hour ago
    Why is Dyson being sued for actions taken by their suppliers? This is setting a bizarre precedent.
    • teekert 1 hour ago
      Is it? Can we be a just society if we allow any company to close their eyes to bad things in their supply chain? Should we not just call this "failure of due diligence"?

      Otherwise none of our environmental and worker protection laws make any sense. Anyone can just do the unethical thing and move everything to a country that does not care about the rights we have set over here. Do our values not apply to any human? Including to those that happen to live outside our rough geographical area?

      • xyzzy123 47 minutes ago
        Why not push it all the way to the consumer? Why shouldn't you be liable if you buy a wrench, but actually the worker who made it was mistreated? That would make people think twice before buying products of unknown provenance and supporting slavery.
        • KineticLensman 42 minutes ago
          In the UK, if a homeowner (customer) pays a company to clear domestic rubbish, and the company illegally fly-tips it, it's the homeowner who gets chased. The law requires them to check that the company is legit.
      • philipallstar 40 minutes ago
        > Anyone can just do the unethical thing and move everything to a country that does not care about the rights we have set over here

        Well, instead of using North Sea oil in the UK we buy it from Norway, who got it from the North Sea. We have hilariously high energy prices because of green energy policies, so we import more and more things from other countries that have workable energy policies.

        So - yeah.

    • nness 57 minutes ago
      There were two reasons the Court of Appeal hearing held that the complaint could be heard in UK courts:

      1. They relate to alleged harm caused by decisions and policies made centrally by Dyson UK companies and personnel

      2. There was substantial risk that they would not be able to access justice in the Malaysian courts

      Both seem reasonable. The UK personnel may have engaged in an activity they knew were illegal. Foreign citizen can generally sue in another country, if they must establish that the court has jurisdiction over the matter -- which they seem to have done.

      If anything, it should make the anti-slavery mandates of manufacturers, particularly fashion, sit up straight.

      • philipallstar 32 minutes ago
        The fashion industry does feel like such a big, endless duality of incredibly wealthy people doing little difficult work and having loads of awards and shows and fun events, and factories full of people in faraway countries barely subsisting.
    • bjackman 56 minutes ago
      No, it's bizarre that this isn't normal.

      The law is an expression of our desire that our industry doesn't exploit forced labour. The fact that this mostly only counts when the forced labour takes place in our own country is a weird historical detail, long outdated by globalisation.

      Either you think that forced labour in Malaysia is OK in which case this seems bizarre, or you think it's not OK in which case we need a way for the law to discourage forced labour in Malaysia. The only way it can do that is through the supply chain.

    • afandian 50 minutes ago
      If you can't globalise without maintaining standards then don't globalise. If you do, that's your liability.