Anthropic's War on open source AI

(twitter.com)

71 points | by bilsbie 2 hours ago

6 comments

  • ChrisArchitect 48 minutes ago
  • NickNaraghi 51 minutes ago
    I feel that more people would understand Anthropic's worldview if they read more of the public source material. Sure it is a cult, but it they have been relatively transparent with their views: https://darioamodei.com/essay/machines-of-loving-grace#basic...
    • mapmeld 14 minutes ago
      I have no inside info on this, but I believe that Anthropic's trouble with the feds really started when they delivered a presentation on EA and Constitutional AI and someone's takeaway was "this is very strange and probably 'woke'"
    • api 23 minutes ago
      I've read some of it. It's a cult. The net effect of their recommendations is to mandate a monopoly on AI, which oh so happens to be them and their friends. That's what most cults' ideologies boil down to: reasons to give more power to the cult.

      Oh, of course they have good intentions. They want everyone to benefit and everyone will be equal. They'll just be a little more equal than everyone else, of course, and because they are so virtuous they will of course have more power, which they would never misuse... they're too smart and enlightened for that, so they don't need safeguards... they only need safeguards for everyone else because everyone else is obviously less enlightened...

      All cults, political movements, religions, and ideologies are always like this. It boils down to more power for the leaders. If it sounds altruistic and enlightened, be extra afraid.

      • bigbuppo 22 minutes ago
        And specifically, a for-profit cult.
        • api 19 minutes ago
          All cults are for-profit in some sense. Sometimes it's not money though. Sometimes it's getting the leader(s) laid or getting them their "narcissistic supply."

          I've heard tons of rumors about a get-laid angle to the Rationalist(tm) cult, but I have no first hand knowledge. Wouldn't surprise me much.

          Movements and capital-I Ideologies are not your friend. They're basically all grifts. If they don't start out that way, that's what they turn into.

          • flir 7 minutes ago
            for-prophet
  • totallygeeky 13 minutes ago
    Jesus, being logged out on Twitter is a comically bad experience at this point. Can't view replies past the first one, click into anything, and now there's a big animated emoji pointing at a button? Miserable site, truly.
    • cebert 10 minutes ago
      > Jesus, being logged out on Twitter is a comically bad experience at this point.

      Uh, just log in then?

      • jtbaker 0 minutes ago
        found the twitter street team
      • bigyabai 1 minute ago
        With my real life PII? I trust Meta more at this point, fuck that.
  • vb-8448 54 minutes ago
    I don't know how much of current anthropic behaviour is because of the upcoming IPO but totally agree with the post: anthropic is uniquely dangerous.

    But I also doubt about OAI or other big players, maybe they don't have such strong delusions of grandeur, or they're simply smarter about not showing it to everyone.

  • josefritzishere 50 minutes ago
    Never before has a business sector need so desperately to be federally regulated. Their financial rigor falls somewhere between suspiciously lacking and outright fraud. The claims they make about the abilities of the software, whether real or imagined, argue for regulating it like a weapons exporter.
    • kazinator 11 minutes ago
      They don't desperately need to be regulated, as such. They need to be regulated in such a way that there is a very expensive and biased certification process, which is conducted by companies that are certified to do the certifying and those companies are shell corporations owned by Anthropic and other big AI.

      The actual safety rules, whatever they are, if they are put into law have to be made explicit, and that makes them easy targets to hit. But if what matter is not technical compliance, but paperwork certifying compliance, that's a different story.

    • sailfast 18 minutes ago
      I don't think Federal (US) regulation under current conditions is going to get you what you want here in terms of outcomes.

      Regulated AI right now is a grift game. Donations for policy changes, and the ability to lock out competitors. Flattery to stay green-lit instead of shut down by random executive orders and policies. Bend the knee to keep shipping.

      If anything, we need LESS federal regulation here and more FTC / SEC enforcement but (see above grift comments) that will also not happen in the United States until voters elect somebody that actually respects the law enough to enforce it for something other than their own gain (outside of their need to be elected, of course...)

    • stldev 36 minutes ago
      Right. Steal the world's information and wrap it up as a set of numbers. Convince a bunch of billionaires that those numbers are worth a trillion. Then once you realize it's just another commodity and the competition is real, aim for "too big to fail", cozy up with the gov't and hope for a bailout.
      • bigyabai 33 minutes ago
        It's gonna be real peachy when AI research backslides into a "national security" imperative to recoup their losses with defense contracts.
  • AlexandrB 50 minutes ago
    > That is not a tool. That is a leash.

    as;dr (AI slop, didn't read)

    • VariousPrograms 43 minutes ago
      There are some all-timer not X but Ys in this tweet.

      "A pair of 3090s, a Mac Studio, a DGX Spark, an on-prem rack, a cluster of rented H100s, or a fleet of consumer GPUs is not just hardware. It is a vote against subscription feudalism."

      • kazinator 10 minutes ago
        There is simply too much ad copy in the volume of AI training data.
    • bicepjai 39 minutes ago
      Personal opinion: We are at a point where we cannot dismiss an argument because it was written using LLM and the longer message contains tropes. Observations of LLM-written content and communicating it is fine, but dismissing the argument seems irresponsible.
      • tfirst 31 minutes ago
        if the argument is good enough, it should be worth writing on your own.
        • quantummagic 23 minutes ago
          If the argument is good enough, it worth ignoring who/what the author is.
        • CuriouslyC 25 minutes ago
          If your job is important enough, it should be worth jogging to.
          • GPerson 8 minutes ago
            I’d jog around the world for a job about now.
      • thewebguyd 18 minutes ago
        We also need to stop immediately dismissing certain writing tropes as being automatically LLM generated.

        I'm re-reading an older fantasy series, and the amount of em-dashes in the text and similar tropes (you know, normal good writing) would easily be called out as "AI Slop" on this very forum, even though it was written in the early 90s.

      • kazinator 10 minutes ago
        [delayed]